I love getting a swag of books in the mail!

Just got these from Amazon:

All on a theme, all about dialogue, the nature of the universe, how to make the world work! What a treat.

Varieties of Encounter

On the back burner I have a study / paper I want to do: Varieties of Encounter, today I was delighted to read a snippet from Elizabeth Synnot’s Thesis. The delight is there too because I want to bring forth dialogue, encounter in the training for the CITP

A SOCIODRAMATIST AT WORK
Producing Genuine and Reciprocal Relating
to
Create a Leadership Renaissance

September 2005

A quote follows from her thesis available on the ANZPA site

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Rage

I like the writing of Dawn Lipthrott on Imago.

For example: How does Imago differ…

I got something clear from a passage in that article, and it will assist me in moving to a “Parent Child Dialogue”.

In the article she speaks of the importance of the unconscious processes, and how they emerge with safety through lack of interpretation but with full Mirroring Validation and Empathy

Read on…

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Relational Thinking

There are two really crucial ideas that are relatively new in the therapy field, that anyone in a relationship needs to know. They make up the the systemic, relational paradigm shift that for all its value, and having been around for decades, could be missed! To miss it would be like missing out the penicillin and micro-organism knowledge if you had an infection when that was just taking hold a ninety years ago. To embrace this relational paradigm is more important than the exact approach one uses, though it needs to be a relational one. Imago, Psychodrama, Non Violent Communication and many other approaches are systemic and relational, or at least not actively opposed.

One is that the right here, now, in the relationship is the solution to the relationship problem. How to get there might be painful and hard, you will need to learn skills, make effort, but individual therapy or leaving, or searching for a better mate has all those problems and will lead to similar relationship problems, or to no relationship at all.

The second is that it takes only one person in the relationship to commit to really working on it. In fact the ability or desire to take that role is never even and equal, so it is never quite fair.

These ideas seem straight forward to me now, but they fly in the face of much more prevalent notions, ones I was actively taught, and took on board as wisdom, and have had to unlearn: That it is good to sort yourself out before you have a relationship, and that each person needs to commit to doing their share, that it is 50/50.

Al Turtle puts all these things very well. Great to find his site today.

Alienation & Dignity

Marx’s Theory of Alienation

Finished up on this page after exploring the “end of history” – which led
to Allan Bloom and the NeoCons. Somewhere I caught a glimpse of this link & followed it because I associated (in my mind) alienation with lack of dignity, and dignity with being part of the group accepted, and contributing (from Robert Fuller)

This succinct summary in Wikipedia has enough to show how there is a connection. ties in with the discussion about rank and dignity (earlier post).

In the concept’s most important use, it refers to the social alienation of people from aspects of their “human nature” (Gattungswesen, usually translated as ‘species-essence’ or ‘species-being’). He believed that alienation is a systematic result of capitalism.

I get the idea that in the big picture alienation has Capitalism at its roots. From Robert Fuller I got the idea that there is something more primitive at play as well. I presume marx thought it was evident in earlier societies as well?

Inclusion / exclusion

I can see it as a tool for the group’s survival.

What ever the roots – dignity is a way forward, radical in it’s departure from domination. We do not need have abolished capitalism to be dignitarian. In fact it is part of the way forward.

David Bohm Dialogues

On Dialogue

Thought as a System

Bohm Dialogue – Wikipedia

I (Google desktop) found two text files on my PC, from the nineties! (I am like that).

Bohm Dialogue Proposal
The item describes in some detail the purpose & structure of Dialogue as proposed by Bohm & colleagues.

Bohm Dialogue – book extract
An item from a newsgroup. Summarises the material on Dialogue from the book: Science, Order and Creativity 1987

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From the Dialogue Page on the Co-Intellignece website

Guidelines for Open Dialogue

The more all participants are aware of the nature of dialogue and committed to bringing it about, the better the chance it will happen. Towards that end, the following comparison of dialogue and debate offers one of the most useful summaries of dialogue that we’ve seen. (It was adapted by the Study Circle Resource Center from a paper prepared by Shelley Berman, which in turn was based on discussions of the Dialogue Group of the Boston Chapter of Educators for Social Responsibility.)

More follows, including a list of bullet points.

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Cameron Riley interviews Richard Moore

Just listened to Cameron Riley interview Richard Moore. Excellent podcast. A credible analysis of the geo-politics and a credible practical way forward – rare. I am now checking out “dynamic facilitation” dialogue. I love the way he speaks about doing dialogues as an experiment. Reminds me of Moreno’s sociometric experiments. These are not experiments ON people. This is people experimenting together, well that is what I make of it.

The state of the art for community dialogues has a way to go I think. I can see a sort of combination of Imago, NVC, Sociometry working to facilitate such a process. Couple and small group dialogues are hard enough, dialogues for social issues may be simpler. I like the way he proposes that a small group with diverse opinions, if they find a solution, it is likely it will be broadly accepted.

Psyberspace Podcast – The role of the therapist in couple therapy

For Imago colleagues

Tight Structure
Seamless flow
Recent shift

Four developments in my work:

a – bcr structured couple therapy – no dialogue
b – refining a topic
c – analysis of the dynamics to facilitate dialogue
d – coaching re: thoughts & feelings

Psyberspace Podcast 2008-05015

Note Saturday, June 19, 2010
I’ve made this private as I have moved on a lot since then. I’d prefer to create a better audio.

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Friday, 10 September 2021

Removed the password. Yes I have moved on but the history is nice to have.  Did I ever make another on this topic?

More notes in the collection of podcasts https://psyberspace.walterlogeman.com/2021/psyberspace-podcasts/