Walter Logeman: Journal
I listened to that poem in the previous post, over and over. I got to like it. I had a tape, on my pre-ipod walkman. I must find it and put it on my phone.
By Heart: 101 Poems to Remember – Ted Hughes
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
That line would resonate well as I listened while walking deep in the New Zealand bush.
Picking up quite late in life what I imagine American kids learn at school.
In what some might call synchronicity I came across Mesmer’s (W) animal magnetism in two separate contexts today.
Firstly, in “Transference, Countertransference And Tele: Their Relation To Group Research And Group Psychotherapy [Word Doc] in Psychodrama Vol II by J.L. Moreno and then again in:
A podcasted radio program from WNYC on the Placebo effect.
Both these sources tie in with much of what I am writing about in this blog on the science of relationships, and specifically a current project on “parallel process” in supervision. It got me interested again in what Moreno calls tele. It is a word that will be with me, like it or not while I am involved with psychodrama (like the word psychodrama itself). I don’t like the word “tele” much, it seems to confuse everyone including me. The aim of this post(s) is to investigate tele, especially in relationship to, as in the title of Moreno’s lecture, to group research and group psychotherapy. I thought I’d make a summary of Moreno’s 1957 lecture chapter, and make responses.
Note: I continue to edit these posts, they are a work in progress for now, not really be good blogging practice. If anyone comments or there are track backs, I will not change what I wrote so conversations make sense.
I’ll start with quoting the Intro in full, make some comments and do more posts later, a series: Transference and Tele (tag).
In this two minute snippet I think I managed to get enough of the idea down, so I can elaborate.
Isomorphism – an insight -wl -mp3
I had a moment of seeing clearly how different phenomena can all be related under one heading:
Isomorphism in human relations.
I am writing this after making the audio, expanding on it:
Test from from my phone
I can get .m4a files and .wav files off the phone, they work on the phone and on the pc, but I have no way of doing MP3s yet, on the phone. I prefer them as they are the easiest to play.
This Google flash player for example, will not play the .wav files. It plays an MP3 in the previous post.
[Files don’t work — Friday, 10 September 2021 ]
I have not listened yet, bet it is bad!
Philosophers Zone – 17 October 2009 – What would Karl Marx think?:
Commodities, capitalism and computers. At a time when the Berlin Wall has fallen but Wall Street is decidedly shaky, a self-described lapsed Marxist takes us through some of the key philosophical and practical ideas of Karl Marx and argues for what is still useful today. What is worth keeping in Marx? He had his limitations but later thinkers have built on his core concepts and used his methods to produce results that still speak to the changing nature of work in contemporary Australia.
I am delighted to bring this audio here. Please download and listen!
Creative Insight Council April 2009 Austria
It is a podcast about Dynamic Facilitation and the success of A Creative Insight Council (close to a Wisdom Council) in a city in Austria.
This does not really explain what Dynamic Facilitation is, or the principles of an CIC, or Wisdom Council. It is a process developed in the USA by Jim Rough. See my earlier blog post.
I hope this audio will motivate you to explore that.
If you are familiar with Psychodrama, I can say this: it is a highly sociometric process with strong facilitation from a neutral facilitator. The group of 12 or so is created by lottery in the whole population of the city or country! Such is the nature of systems, there is isomorphy (self similarity) from the microcosm to the macrocosm and the group, if well publicised, is the protagonist group for the whole community. A microcosm CAN experience the deep heart-felt transformation of a small group process and give back its wisdom to the whole, who are likely to be receptive as the group was made up of a diverse, non-expert group.
For people familiar with Imago Relationship Therapy, this is a process of facilitation that used a dialogue process. Not so much *between* the participants who do not need to learn how to send or receive, but through the facilitator.
One difference between DF, Dynamic Facilitation and the two process I mention above, Psychodrama and Imago, is that the facilitation works towards solution statements.
Note that these councils do not seek any formal power, nor will they meet again after the council is over.
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I am really inspired. I have always had a hunch that the small group process which has been so powerful in my life would change the world but I could never quite see how. Now I get it! Fantastic.
Here are a few podcasts I’ve enjoyed:
KH: Bruce Sterling and Jasmina Tesanovic
Dave Winer: Love, the early Internet and the mathematics of betrayal & hate. Its a podcast from October 2004.
KH: Denis Dutton – The Art Instinct (not as bad as I thought he would be, given my skepticism about evolutionary psychology and skeptics).
Alan Lightman is a novelist, essayist, physicist, and educator. Currently, he is Adjunct Professor of Humanities at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology
I got interested listening to him being interviewed, with the first part of the interview mainly about the relationship between art & science.
Heartening because he & Kim were able to broach this interrelationship at all. That is what makes this such a treat to listen to. He is a writer & a scientist. He is married to a painter.
Frustrating because he sees a gap between the sciences and the arts, creativity, that need not be there at all. I am thinking of the science that Moreno advocates, and I write about in my paper, see this post & link here.
He speaks about how the idea is more important in science than the presentation. But is it? Beauty & truth are more interrelated than that. Also the expression about the world is always a map, the nature of the correspondence between the map & the territory is varied but at this level e=mc2 is a map in much the same way as the Mona Lisa.
True, the terms are defined in scientific language. But language itself is also defined, with more fuzzy, and hence often more effective rules. Science has not learned the sociometric method yet. Just wait till it hits the world! The sociometric revolution is yet to come.
A podcast about art & nature, mostly a personal rumination on a theme, just my need to think out loud. Art, my art, Jackson Pollock, Mark Tobey.
psyberspace-2008-07-31-Art-and-nature
Led to me making a digital image (I would like to do paintings along this line).
Horizon