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Perhaps you are almost falling out of the consensus world, and becoming more conscious, challenging those around you in ways they don’t like. Maybe you are getting closer to the underlying truth of your life. You don’t need to obey, and nor do you need to harm others to be who you really are. But you may need to *develop new roles*, it could be hard, unpleasant. Maybe you are not very good yet at getting around in the place where you are more real.
How will therapy help you?
Ease you back into the matrix? Help you into the more authentic world where you will feel more vulnerable?
Which way do you want to go?
I think most psychotherapists will ask you that question – after all sometimes the easier more pleasant path is all you can manage for now. For now… inauthentic life is not really an option is it?
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How do the social scientists measure the effectiveness of psychotherapy? Or more to the point how do insurance people measure it?
I like the sound of it: Wastes of Asphodel in the poem in the last post. It is a deep dark place somewhere that I think of as cyberspace, removed yet connected to the world. As more and more people do their banking and blog about their day and so on, as cyberspace becomes more mundane with blinking banners urging us to buy, will these wastes become malls?
Sort of. But not quite. Land is land and dreams are dreams. For all the pixilated neon, it remains virtual. There is a dream world. In Dreams in Late Antiquity By Patricia Cox Miller (Google Amazon) shows how it is the other world, the world of dreams.
A passage from the book follows.
We can communicate with the living online, but their words live on after they die. There are stories of email groups where people reply quite consciously and deliberately to the posts from someone who is dead. Through such services as project Guttenberg the dead poets and novelists have come back with their text more alive than ever as we search, and cut and paste their words into newer living documents.
The last book of the Odyssey begins with an epiphany of Hermes, which may poetically bring to life something of the experience of being in a mind rather than a body space:
Meanwhile the suitors’ ghosts were called away by Hermes of Kyllene, bearing the golden wand with which he charms the eyes of men or wakens whom he wills.
He waved them on, all squeaking
as bats will in a cavern’s underworld,
all flitting, flitting criss-cross in the dark
if one falls and the rock-hung chain is broken.
So with faint cries the shades trailed after
Hermes, pure Deliverer.He led them down dank ways, over gray
Ocean tides, the Snowy Rock past shores
of Dream and narrows of the sunset,
in swift flight to where the Dead inhabit
wastes of asphodel at the world’s end.From the section “The Hermes of the Odyssey” in Hermes Guide of Souls by Karl Kerényi (1942)
We can see how Hermes connects with the disdain for cyberspace we have discussed. The realm can be a Hades, and in our disembodiment we become ghosts.
The idea of ‘archive’ is often used for storing old records. On the net everything at the moment of its birth is archived and thus the latest pop song is as easily accessed as the ideas of people long dead re-published on the Net.
Here is my essay – this one section from it.
Imported my Psyberspace blog from WordPress.com to here: https://psyberspace.walterlogeman.com where I can add plugins, generally have more flexibility. Went fairly smoothly but links go back to the old site. Nevermind, I might do a search and replace thing one day, soon.
The new RSS feed is: https://psyberspace.walterlogeman.com/?feed=rss2
I (Google desktop) found two text files on my PC, from the nineties! (I am like that).
Bohm Dialogue Proposal
The item describes in some detail the purpose & structure of Dialogue as proposed by Bohm & colleagues.
Bohm Dialogue – book extract
An item from a newsgroup. Summarises the material on Dialogue from the book: Science, Order and Creativity 1987
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From the Dialogue Page on the Co-Intellignece website
Guidelines for Open Dialogue
The more all participants are aware of the nature of dialogue and committed to bringing it about, the better the chance it will happen. Towards that end, the following comparison of dialogue and debate offers one of the most useful summaries of dialogue that we’ve seen. (It was adapted by the Study Circle Resource Center from a paper prepared by Shelley Berman, which in turn was based on discussions of the Dialogue Group of the Boston Chapter of Educators for Social Responsibility.)
More follows, including a list of bullet points.
There is a strange synchronicity at work! I have become more reflective about my work as a psychotherapist. The new posts here may reflect that. The couple dialogues I facilitate are powerful and impact me as well as the clients.
What are the exact roles that are involved in those dialogues, and the place of language in those roles? The ideas of Hendrix and Rosenberg are important to me. Are they really right that only one partner needs to make a commitment to dialogue?
I return to my roots in Psychodrama. I am doing that in many ways. One is that I will be a trainer in the CITP next year, and also furthering my own training as a Trainer, Educator and Practitioner. I mean roots! What is the nature of the method? The psyche, the drama, roles, and mostly what is the sociometric method. What is the place of healing. I am such a thinker. I have previously written about sociometric criteria for group explorations. See Moreno in Wikipedia for a good summary.
I was inspired listening to Richard Moore, and “Dynamic Facilitation” which they distinguish from Bohmian Dialogue.
And then Pscience, which leads to Bohm via another route, though I had forgotten he even exists.
And Bohm, leads to creativity. He is vitally interested in that subject, like Moreno. He wrote several books on creativity. Which makes me feel like my passion for art is tied in with this larger project. I am so pleased with my couple of years of intensity in that dept!
I am delighted by the unity in my work, the coming together of threads. Even my old interest in politics is included.
So, more on all this will follow.
I just made a new Category for my blog. Pscienc. There are heaps of posts back in the past that will need to be categorised.
Psychology and science as a unified field.
I wonder if anyone else has used the name? Plenty, but none that use it in this way. Political science, and there is a band.
Here is the first post I’ll add Murray Gell-Mann
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Here are some pscientific questions:
What can we learn about binary stars by doing intentional dialogues with a life-partner?
Should we use the term gravity or will Eros do?
Is there such a thing as psychic energy? Libido? In psychology is energy a metaphor? What if it were a metaphor in physics as well?
Was Jung right to think the law of thermo-dynamics applies to psychic energy?
What can Moreno’s “social atom” for the smallest social unit needed for survival teach us about the structure of the atom in physics? And vice versa.
Is a social dyad like a quantum phenomena in that once observed the phenomena is transformed?
Does isomorphy, i.e self-similarity, work all the way from the big-bang to a synapse in our brain?
Ideas, stories and metaphors impact on on the world. They are real in their consequences. Therefore God is real.
Proof in maths is different from proof in physics. How do you prove you love someone? What if we applied standards of proof from one context in another? We already do: The theorem is true because it is elegant.
More?
Here is a Manual for Dynamic Facilitation.
Jim Rough’s book:
Societys-Breakthrough-Releasing-Essential-Wisdom
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The online manual is pretty good!
A sample follows.
Just listened to Cameron Riley interview Richard Moore. Excellent podcast. A credible analysis of the geo-politics and a credible practical way forward – rare. I am now checking out “dynamic facilitation” dialogue. I love the way he speaks about doing dialogues as an experiment. Reminds me of Moreno’s sociometric experiments. These are not experiments ON people. This is people experimenting together, well that is what I make of it.
The state of the art for community dialogues has a way to go I think. I can see a sort of combination of Imago, NVC, Sociometry working to facilitate such a process. Couple and small group dialogues are hard enough, dialogues for social issues may be simpler. I like the way he proposes that a small group with diverse opinions, if they find a solution, it is likely it will be broadly accepted.